tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post5032422146144415875..comments2023-06-13T10:03:01.228-05:00Comments on Blue Christian on a Red Background: Newsweek on Joel and Victoria Osteen: "What's God Got to Do with It?"Jon Trotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08667858230128323729noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-45862757164186595852008-10-23T23:00:00.000-05:002008-10-23T23:00:00.000-05:00Thank you, Dory. But I have to ask... you call (on...Thank you, Dory. But I have to ask... you call (on your blog) your husband "Hunkie." Is that so together you can be "Hunkie Dory"? Inquiring minds want to know.Jon Trotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05269111052515857956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-39704767034580061162008-10-23T22:40:00.000-05:002008-10-23T22:40:00.000-05:00I googled "Obama + Deaf" to see if I could find ho...I googled "Obama + Deaf" to see if I could find how he stands with the Deaf community and found your blog today, and I am so glad. I immediately subscribed. Jon, you are a voice of quiet reason. Thank you. I just posted on my blog to publish in the morning and gave you a shout out. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.cantrememberdiddly.com" REL="nofollow">Dory</A><BR/><BR/>Oh, p.s., Joel gives me the heebie-jeebies. Someone loaned me one of his books on CD and I found that his voice makes my skin crawl.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-16990849286750158532008-10-16T07:46:00.000-05:002008-10-16T07:46:00.000-05:00Jon,You may well be "a bit of a brooder, a doubter...Jon,<BR/>You may well be "a bit of a brooder, a doubter, a cup half-empty kind of guy"...but, that in no way prevents you from being right.<BR/>Criticism of a shallow, self-centered "gospel" is a good work.<BR/>Carry On,<BR/>GOrdon Stephan<BR/>Sherwood, ARAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-88027389824927600612008-10-14T15:00:00.000-05:002008-10-14T15:00:00.000-05:00I hadn't heard that about Piper. Shame. But I wa...I hadn't heard that about Piper. Shame. But I was once in darkness too, before God showed me the light. I know my uncle in Minneapolis (who knew Mary Steinkie) used to attend his church, and left, because of the way he condemned gays.Jed Carosaarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10775889983099808362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-33755218183020885892008-10-14T12:27:00.000-05:002008-10-14T12:27:00.000-05:00And one more thing... I wish Piper was as good on ...And one more thing... I wish Piper was as good on women's equality (he's terrible) as he is on Christian hedonism. I had a hierarchalist male friend who used to use Piper's stuff like the Bible. Womens' "proper roles" and all the usual nonsense... depressing, really. But I digress.Jon Trotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05269111052515857956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-46548895217053021272008-10-14T12:24:00.000-05:002008-10-14T12:24:00.000-05:00Oops... that shouldn't have been:"You can can weal...Oops... that shouldn't have been:<BR/><BR/>"You can can wealth..."<BR/><BR/>but<BR/><BR/>"You can <B>have</B> wealth..."<BR/><BR/>Comes of typing faster than I'm thinking. And no, I'm not a speed typist. aHahahahaha... thud.Jon Trotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05269111052515857956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-13931243527245849652008-10-14T12:22:00.000-05:002008-10-14T12:22:00.000-05:00No, I think it is in accord. But though God goes t...No, I think it is in accord. But though God goes to lengths that are, well, scandalous in giving, serving, yearning over, and wooing us, I don't think that has much at all to do with the Osteens' gospel. Their gospel seems to me (and who am I?) to say "You can can wealth and health and a smile filled with perfect if artificial teeth if you have faith enough for it." And I'm left -- again -- wondering at how shallow that seems. Of course, on balance, my posturing as someone who knows about suffering for Jesus is also a cow pie. I have suffered very little in my life, and been blessed greatly. So I tread lightly here... one mustn't think one has all the answers, or even one or two sometimes. But I do look at Jesus in the Scriptures, and despite my own many failures to follow Him as I ought, find the Prosperity Gospel incredibly self-focused and self-serving. It sacralizes selfishness rather than challenging it. I need the challenge!Jon Trotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05269111052515857956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11057324.post-50261677748331712062008-10-14T11:39:00.000-05:002008-10-14T11:39:00.000-05:00I would say that Piper is right on with his Christ...I would say that Piper is right on with his Christian hedonism concept, and that through a life of suffering God wants to serve us. Indeed, we've walked away from the faith when we say that we no longer are willing to be served by God, for we claim that we are greater and can satisfy our own needs. What would be your thoughts on this? Is that in accord or contrary to what you said here?Jed Carosaarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10775889983099808362noreply@blogger.com